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99TJMike
07-05-2010, 06:51 PM
....American Flags made in China and other countries? I think any American Flag should be made by Americans in America. I was looking for and American Flag in Wally world and could not find one made in America and tossed a couple of them back on to the rack. I got into an argument with someone standing next to me about not respecting the American Flag. I told the person that the American Flag should be made in America by Americans and since these flags are made in China, they are Chinesee flags.
I did not intend on being disrepectful of the American Flag, but made in china does not represent what our Flag stands for. To me, American Flag means freedom, acheaving dreams, hard work, sacrafice and to be the best. It also means that people will sacrafice their lives so others (fellow Americans as well as people from other countries) can be free even if the war is unpopular (Nam, Middle East). To me, the chinesee made flag means the opposite and is a slap in the face to all those who served/injured/died fighting for freedom. These flags are made by people who are not free by a oppressive goverment for a corporation that wants to save some money.
How do you feel about the made in china American Flags? Was I disrepectful to the Flag? I would not toss an American made flag back into the rack. I can't give enought thanks to all those who served in the American Military who fought for freedom. I do not want to offend any of the board members who served or are serving in the military protecting what our Flag stands for. But, the worlds most recognized symbol of freedom made in a country whose views are opposite of what our flag stands for just pisses me off!
Cherokee Man
07-05-2010, 07:08 PM
I for one don't believe in "patriotism" as a rule. (we can get more into that if need be)
Lets say, I drew an america flag on a brown paper bag made in china, using a pen made in china, while using a a desk made from china. Does that make it less american? less patriotic? No, because its not the physical manifestation that has any meaning its the ideas instilled in the physical form that have meaning. The Flag I drew isn't patriotic because it has 13 stripes and 50 starts, its patriotic because of the feelings behind drawing it. In this case, I drew it because of my love for my country, the love of the men and women who have fought and died chasing this symbol across the globe and time. I drew it because this particular form is associated with the feelings I harbor. I could just as easily be patriotic drawing say, a grassy hill with clouds and birds. If that to me shows love for my beautiful country its just has patriotic as drawing a flag.
So, this physical creature was made in a foreign land and you reject it. But tell me was its meaning not made in a foreign land? These ideals you hold so dear to your heart. All stem from a foreign country. For with out these foreign lands all our ideals of self, patriotism and pride would mean nothing. How can you harbor such disdain for the very things that make what is important to you special. It would be alot like saying "i really hate cows those stupid ignorant slights against god, but damn i love a good cheeseburger." To appreciate the cheeseburger you must have some appreciation for the cow.
So, to close my ramble:
It matters not where the flag comes from. For it does not change the meaning, and feelings instilled in it.
Cheers,
Tonka
07-05-2010, 07:10 PM
Certainly, I would have questioned anyone tossing them around without knowing why. If it were me, I would have just put them back on the shelf as if they were made in the United States and left it at that. People will buy them for what they symbolize as a flag without reading the "made in ....." label. There is such a thing as over analyzing. If it were made in America but the cashier was from another country which was not friendly to America, would you still have bought the flag?
The Duke
07-05-2010, 09:35 PM
It's a piece of material..... Sorry, I'm not into the whole "respecting the flag" thing. No, I wouldn't purposely burn, stomp on, tear, etc, but tossing it the shelf isn't "disrespecting it", IMO. I think it's sad when people have/show more of what they consider "respect" to a piece of cloth than to many, many things that deserve thier respect. For example, would you have thought twice about tossing a Bible(or whatever religious book you might like to read) down? Probably not, but that piece of cloth, you act like it is some sacred relic that will strike you down with a lightning bolt if you dare to drop it.
Not looking to start an argument, just stating the way I see it. And I am patriotic, but at the same time I don't worship the USA.
And yeah, I'd rather see them made in the US as well.
ChadYJ92
07-05-2010, 09:52 PM
It's a piece of material..... Sorry, I'm not into the whole "respecting the flag" thing. No, I wouldn't purposely burn, stomp on, tear, etc, but tossing it the shelf isn't "disrespecting it", IMO. I think it's sad when people have/show more of what they consider "respect" to a piece of cloth than to many, many things that deserve thier respect. For example, would you have thought twice about tossing a Bible(or whatever religious book you might like to read) down? Probably not, but that piece of cloth, you act like it is some sacred relic that will strike you down with a lightning bolt if you dare to drop it.
Not looking to start an argument, just stating the way I see it. And I am patriotic, but at the same time I don't worship the USA.
And yeah, I'd rather see them made in the US as well.
Times 2.
I'd rather see American flags made in America.
I'd also rather see people type out their cuss words correctly instead of bypassing the censor by using $ symbols.
DrLewall
07-06-2010, 02:15 AM
I'd rather see American flags made in America.
I'd also rather see people type out their cuss words correctly instead of bypassing the censor by using $ symbols.
no ****in ****! that **** just pisses me off too! :lmao:
and I think out flags should be USA made..china owns us now you know
My wife was telling me there was something on the local news about flags found at the Dollar Store which were made in another country. When someone took a closer look they had 19 stripes and 67 stars. The store refused to quit selling them claiming they were "Celebration Banners" not flags. I understand the need for profit when it comes to business but some things are more important.
Jason J Crawford
07-06-2010, 06:15 PM
I agree. There was a similar issue when the Army (for whatever reason) decided to outfit all their troops with berets. The initial issue was all made in China. I believe they were recalled and later reissued with American made ones.
Cherokee Man
07-06-2010, 06:46 PM
I agree. There was a similar issue when the Army (for whatever reason) decided to outfit all their troops with berets. The initial issue was all made in China. I believe they were recalled and later reissued with American made ones.
Hell, im sure them thar boys would have won that dang gon war had they been wearin berets made in mericka it was them damn chinesesss fault their damn hats infect our boyz brains.
Jason J Crawford
07-06-2010, 06:57 PM
So I can't spell or speak proper english because I believe American troops should be in American equipment? It's all about pride son. This would have never happened during WW2. Back then we didn't apologize to a damned soul for what we had to do to become great. We didn't bow to anyone, we didn't pander to terrorists, we didn't cower in the face of public opinion. If you didn't like what America had to offer, then GET THE HELL OUT! Where the hell did we diverge? Hippies with no sense of pride, duty or loyalty to our country are why we are in the shape we're in today. Time to put back on that sword and musket, and set fire to **** that pisses us off. Seemed to work then, why not now?
Cherokee Man
07-06-2010, 07:06 PM
wasn't aim specifically at you, friend.
Just saying. We need to relax on such meaningless details who makes the hat isn't important its whats in the soldiers heart that matters.
Jason J Crawford
07-06-2010, 07:11 PM
wasn't aim specifically at you, friend.
Then don't quote me.
Let me ask you this; what's in your heart? What have YOU done for YOUR country?
Then don't quote me.
Let me ask you this; what's in your heart? What have YOU done for YOUR country?
If I had to guess... I'd guess NOTHING. Based on all his liberal posts and pretty much nothing else. To him, it's not about what he can do for his country. But, what his country can do for him.
Cherokee Man
07-06-2010, 07:27 PM
I was quoting your point about it being a big deal about where it is made. I may have come off as making fun of you but that is not the case.
What have I done? As I recall your police? perhaps served your country once? Can't remember. So nothing I have done comes close. (thank you for both).
I never served, Im not police. I guess if you want to talk on that level i've done nothing.
I had a job once where my focus was keeping the internet going in an army base so the boys could talk to their families.
And Ive help soldiers in Iraq set up RF links between camps and so fourth.
So maybe I have't picked up a gun and marched across the desert, but I've done more than most. I just dont feel its necessary to make a big deal about where a hat is made or where a flag is made. In the great scheme of things, it simply doesnt matter.
In the great scheme of things, it simply doesnt matter.
that's where you couldn't be more wrong. basic economics would prove your point mute and invalid. If WE THE PEOPLE stood behind our products and actually took pride in our work and craftsmanship, no one in the world could compare to us. We could then keep American hard earned $$$ in America. Instead, we find it more convenient to buy cheap made chinese knockoff products over quality American products. BTW: Chinese people aren't attacking Americans with guns and bombs and nuclear weapons. They are at war with us on an economic level.
BTW:
JJC is prior Army. Currently LEO. Eventually, owner of his own personal Jeep rental shop. ;)
Cherokee Man
07-06-2010, 07:45 PM
BTW:
JJC is prior Army. Currently LEO. Eventually, owner of his own personal Jeep rental shop. ;)
I knew he was currently a LEO. I just couldnt remember if He was ever in the army. Thank you for the heads up.
Thank you JJC for all you have done and are doing. I meant no disrespect.
The Duke
07-06-2010, 08:33 PM
it's not about what he can do for his country. But, what his country can do for him.
That is actually true.....
By the People, FOR THE PEOPLE
The state(government) is there for our benefit, we aren't there for the state's benefit.
kennedy
07-06-2010, 08:45 PM
.... I was looking for and American Flag in Wally world and could not find one made in America
Is anything at Wally World made in America? I thought it was all foriegn crap, I haven't shopped at one in atleast four or five years.
Whats funny about all the Chinese crap... I remember when Walmart first game to town, probably 20 years ago, and they took pride in the fact that they sold American goods... then Sam Walton passed away, and alot of philosophies changed to MONEY MONEY MONEY, even if it meant killing off the littly guy, and buying crap from whereever.
It's a piece of material..... Sorry, I'm not into the whole "respecting the flag" thing.
I have alot of respect for the flag and its history
For example, would you have thought twice about tossing a Bible(or whatever religious
book you might like to read) down?
nope, never thought twice about it, or even thought about it for that matter
but at the same time I don't worship the USA.
commie
And yeah, I'd rather see them made in the US as well.
good, atleast something in your reply is right
See me replies in bold above.
My wife was telling me there was something on the local news about flags found at the Dollar Store which were made in another country. When someone took a closer look they had 19 stripes and 67 stars. The store refused to quit selling them claiming they were "Celebration Banners" not flags. I understand the need for profit when it comes to business but some things are more important.
Thats horrible... there should be laws against that.
that's where you couldn't be more wrong. basic economics would prove your point mute and invalid. If WE THE PEOPLE stood behind our products and actually took pride in our work and craftsmanship, no one in the world could compare to us. We could then keep American hard earned $$$ in America. Instead, we find it more convenient to buy cheap made chinese knockoff products over quality American products. BTW: Chinese people aren't attacking Americans with guns and bombs and nuclear weapons. They are at war with us on an economic level.
BTW:
JJC is prior Army. Currently LEO. Eventually, owner of his own personal Jeep rental shop. ;)
Well said. And wasn't JJC's orginal name in here ABN28, or something siliar, I know it was a military reference.
ChadYJ92
07-06-2010, 08:47 PM
The state(government) is there for our benefit, we aren't there for the state's benefit.
In an ideal world anyway....
Jason J Crawford
07-06-2010, 09:26 PM
ABN82MP. America's Guard of Honor. The 82nd Airborne Division Military Police Company. All American. All the way. Airborne.
I changed it when someone once accused me of hiding behind a screen name.
that's where you couldn't be more wrong. basic economics would prove your point mute and invalid. If WE THE PEOPLE stood behind our products and actually took pride in our work and craftsmanship, no one in the world could compare to us. We could then keep American hard earned $$$ in America. Instead, we find it more convenient to buy cheap made chinese knockoff products over quality American products. BTW: Chinese people aren't attacking Americans with guns and bombs and nuclear weapons. They are at war with us on an economic level.
I couldn't agree more. What do you think our soldiers are fighting for? Every time we buy something made in another country we take money away from American businesses, and jobs away from American workers. While our economy gets weaker the economy of the countries we buy cheap crap from gets stronger. When I was in the Air Force and then in the Army I would have felt betrayed if my equipment was cheap foreign crap. Who wants to fight for a country that is more concerned with saving a buck than providing superior quality equipment to the men and women who have written a blank check to defend it?
ChadYJ92
07-07-2010, 01:41 AM
Who wants to fight for a country that is more concerned with saving a buck than providing superior quality equipment to the men and women who have written a blank check to defend it?
I can easily understand why an American soldier would prefer American equipment, like an M16A2 over a Chinese Type-56, but how much of a difference would a Chinese-made beret make?
kennedy
07-07-2010, 02:02 AM
I can easily understand why an American soldier would prefer American equipment, like an M16A2 over a Chinese Type-56, but how much of a difference would a Chinese-made beret make?
See Below:
in the Air Force and then in the Army I would have felt betrayed if my equipment was cheap foreign crap. Who wants to fight for a country that is more concerned with saving a buck than providing superior quality equipment to the men and women who have written a blank check to defend it?
I can easily understand why an American soldier would prefer American equipment, like an M16A2 over a Chinese Type-56, but how much of a difference would a Chinese-made beret make?
What difference? Well, we're talking about China, a communist country. Let's imagine for a moment you are a soldier fighting for your country in a foreign land. You look inside the new beret you were just issued and it says Made In China. Wouldn't you start to wonder why the country you are fighting for is taking food directly out of the mouths of the children of your own country, and giving it to China? If not, then you should.
What difference? Again, let's imagine for a moment you own the American Beret Company and you bid on the contract to make berets for the military. But you didn't get the contract because your berets cost 50¢ per unit more than the Chinese Beret Company of Shanghai, China. Since the civilian demand for berets is very limited your company goes out of business putting you in financial ruin. But wait, it's not just you, the 47 people who used to work for you are now out of work too. They can no longer pay their mortgages or keep food on the table. But wait, we're not just talking about 47 families. Where do they buy their food? The local grocery store. But since they are not buying food the grocery store also has to go out of business. So all of those employees and their families are also homeless. This also goes for the gas station, the department store, the hospital, etc., etc., and so on down the line. Oh yeah, it definitely makes a difference.
If you honestly believe that can't happen, or doesn't happen, then you are closing your eyes to the truth of this world.
kennedy
07-07-2010, 05:26 PM
https://www.madeinusa.com/index.php?rid=368927
ChadYJ92
07-07-2010, 09:35 PM
What difference? Well, we're talking about China, a communist country. Let's imagine for a moment you are a soldier fighting for your country in a foreign land. You look inside the new beret you were just issued and it says Made In China. Wouldn't you start to wonder why the country you are fighting for is taking food directly out of the mouths of the children of your own country, and giving it to China? If not, then you should.
What difference? Again, let's imagine for a moment you own the American Beret Company and you bid on the contract to make berets for the military. But you didn't get the contract because your berets cost 50¢ per unit more than the Chinese Beret Company of Shanghai, China. Since the civilian demand for berets is very limited your company goes out of business putting you in financial ruin. But wait, it's not just you, the 47 people who used to work for you are now out of work too. They can no longer pay their mortgages or keep food on the table. But wait, we're not just talking about 47 families. Where do they buy their food? The local grocery store. But since they are not buying food the grocery store also has to go out of business. So all of those employees and their families are also homeless. This also goes for the gas station, the department store, the hospital, etc., etc., and so on down the line. Oh yeah, it definitely makes a difference.
If you honestly believe that can't happen, or doesn't happen, then you are closing your eyes to the truth of this world.
Good points, I can't argue with any of that.