1911 school

[Djeep]

yea, instead of bringing back one of the 1911 threads thought i would do it this way. trying to show someone something. Figured that with people spread around the u.s. it would be more believeable. So i wont influence the response i will try to ask the question without to many details. So my brother will understand.
QUESTION what model/manufactuer produced a 1911 45acp with double action???? Thank you for your responses..

oh yea and ohio yj how do you like your new toy any range time yet???

[kwrangln]

Para in the mid 90's. There may have been one before that, but thats the first that springs to mind. I'd have to do some research to find more.

[OhioYJ]

Wow, I had no idea, I've got something to look for at the next gun show. I'd love to have a double action 1911. I know the 1911 is a pretty sound design, but I wish I didn't have to carry it around cocked and locked for it to be ready. I've gotten spoiled with my SIG, you can have one in the chamber without having it cocked.

[kwrangln]

Para's are also double stack, much fatter grip, but 14 rounds of .45. Pretty sure they make a single stack these days as well. Search for Para Ordinance.

[OhioYJ]

Para's are also double stack, much fatter grip, but 14 rounds of .45.

Yeah I know, I've been eye-balling some of their compacts, like this one, compact but again 14 rounds of 45. (http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=21)

[Knuckelhead]

I've gotten spoiled with my SIG, you can have one in the chamber without having it cocked.

My Combat Commander has one in the chamber when it's not cocked...

[DrLewall]

Cocked and locked is a dicipline in which you need to get used to..and I am use to it :D

[DrLewall]

I might add, I have a Taurus PT945 which is DA and has the slide lock like a 1911. When I carry it, it is locked, just like my 1911. That way my training is not altered. Use thumb to drop safety, squeeze trigger..works for me..

[kwrangln]

DJ, I posted the question on another board I frequent that is also full of gun nuts and got the following reply.




Colt Double Eagles were double action, and there were conversion kits sold back in "the day" when big hair and van halen shirts were cool.

[Jason Clark]

The first 1911 style pistol that was commercially introduced was the Colt Double Eagle.

In the '90's, Para-Ordinance introduced what is arguably the most successful double action 1911 styled pistol on the market today. It is a true double action only firearm (which means that the hammer follows the slide down on every shot making each trigger pull long and consistant in weight).

There have been a few experimentals in the past, but none ever made production. The concept of a double action 1911 is not a new one, just one that is more difficult to create than simply saying so.

[tonylong]

Not exactly a 1911 look-alike but S&W has a DA/SA .45acp.

[Jason Clark]

...and van halen shirts were cool.

You mean Van Halen shirts aren't cool anymore??

[Jason Clark]

Not exactly a 1911 look-alike but S&W has a DA/SA .45acp.

Thanks for the reminder. I forgot completely about the Smith and Wesson 945.

[OhioYJ]

It is a true double action only firearm (which means that the hammer follows the slide down on every shot making each trigger pull long and consistant in weight).


I really like having both, single and double action. Don't get me wrong I like my 1911, but thats one of the feature I love about my SIG.

[tonylong]

If you want to really make an impression, try Ace custom .45 in Texas.
They convert govt 1911 to .45 Super. I believe 1500 + ft lbs at the muzzle. .45 Super ammo is same size as .45acp, but made from a modified .30-06 casing, and really loaded up!! Lesser loading also available, from Cor-bon ammo maker. I only use Cor-bon in various calibers. Me likee one-shot stoppers in revolvers. Me no-likee litterers.

[OhioYJ]

Thanks for the reminder. I forgot completely about the Smith and Wesson 945.

I had to go look it up, and it looks sweet, but holy cow that's an exspensive gun!

[tonylong]

I had to go look it up, and it looks sweet, but holy cow that's an exspensive gun!

Yeah, but think of how much you'll save on not having to do those pesky follow-up shots. :)

[Jason Clark]

If you want to really make an impression, try Ace custom .45 in Texas.
They convert govt 1911 to .45 Super. I believe 1500 + ft lbs at the muzzle. .45 Super ammo is same size as .45acp, but made from a modified .30-06 casing, and really loaded up!! Lesser loading also available, from Cor-bon ammo maker. I only use Cor-bon in various calibers. Me likee one-shot stoppers in revolvers. Me no-likee litterers.

I'm kind of thinking about the .50GI conversion. Everything I have read on that sounds fun. Not quite what I would call a carry cartridge, but would make some amazing fruit salads.

[Djeep]

Perfect guys thanks, thats what i was trying to get across. Mainly that taurus, springfield, s&w, colt do not make a double action 45acp 1911. Now there are 45 acp double action pistols out there by those companys. But not in the 1911 platform. you guys rock thanks

[Jason Clark]

I really like having both, single and double action. Don't get me wrong I like my 1911, but thats one of the feature I love about my SIG.

I have carried all three types (DAO, DA/SA, and SAO) in the last 14-15 years and one thing that I can say from my experience is that I like consistancy. I will admit that I have become spoiled with my 1911 and its 3.5# trigger pull, so my DA/SA gun doesn't get to see as much sunlight anymore, but I can, and do shoot it often.

Even shooting DAO is more consistant than DA/SA, although a whole lot more like work ;).

I do think that SAO is not a carry method suited for those with little or no experience in doing so, thus making the other methods much more desireable. I really like DA/SA for that, and your SIG is a great choice.

[Jason Clark]

Perfect guys thanks, thats what i was trying to get across. Mainly that taurus, springfield, s&w, colt do not make a double action 45acp 1911. Now there are 45 acp double action pistols out there by those companys. But not in the 1911 platform. you guys rock thanks

You are 75% correct. Remember the COLT Double Eagle. Although not in current production, it was in fact manufactured and distributed from 1990 to 1997. It was considered an outdated design and was pretty much a failure from the start. It (the design) was bought and has seen some success as a tear gas launcher and for the airsoft industry in SE Asia.

[fatoldfool]

Way back in the 50's someone was making a double action conversion for 1911's. My feeble mind cannot remember who, but it was pictured and mentioned in one of my old gunsmithing books. I did get a chance to look at the parts quickly when a guy sold a set of parts at a gun show this summer. Even he wasn't sure of the manufacturer and if it made a 1911 DAO or DA/SA.

[tonylong]

Way back in the 50's someone was making a double action conversion for 1911's. My feeble mind cannot remember who, but it was pictured and mentioned in one of my old gunsmithing books. I did get a chance to look at the parts quickly when a guy sold a set of parts at a gun show this summer. Even he wasn't sure of the manufacturer and if it made a 1911 DAO or DA/SA.

I'm thinking Para-Ordnance made the DA conversions. I checked the site but didn't find that. I did find that when I clicked on the Google link I kept getting an error. When I keyed the address directly up popped the Para site. Hmmmm I wonder if Big Brother is already watching over us, and Bahama isn't even elected yet.

[Jason Clark]

Yeah I know, I've been eye-balling some of their compacts, like this one, compact but again 14 rounds of 45. (http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=21)

The Para you linked to there is in the LDA (Light Double Action) format. It is a DAO gun, but fantastically smooth and, for a DAO gun, quite light in the trigger (about 5 pounds). It wouldn't be far off from your SIG in either DA (about 8#) or SA (about 4#). What you would gain is a consistant trigger (notice a theme?).

Lighter triggers offer better accuracy whereas heavier triggers provide one more level of safety. The Para LDA is a fine marriage of both. Not to mention that Para's are generally great shooters out of the box with 25yard groups of about 2" or less.

Granted, in a combat shoot, you aren't likely to put 5 shots in a 2" group (you would be lucky to put five in a basketball under stress pending lots and lots of training), but it is comforting to know that the gun is capable of much greater accuracy than the shooter.